tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post3508931182762210899..comments2023-10-19T09:57:32.592-07:00Comments on Sing your own lullaby: Narrative and Self ConstructionMariana Sofferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-15234811639821196782009-12-30T19:08:18.653-08:002009-12-30T19:08:18.653-08:00Andrea Guiu:
Thanks a lot, you are a wonderful and...Andrea Guiu:<br />Thanks a lot, you are a wonderful and intriguing writer to me, I left you a post, hope we can develop this conversation forward, think new things.<br /><br />The best for you also in 2010Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-84410537420237695432009-12-30T12:10:43.278-08:002009-12-30T12:10:43.278-08:00Hola Mariana! copio este post para leerlo pausadam...Hola Mariana! copio este post para leerlo pausadamente -mi inglés no da para una lectura veloz- el tema me interesa mucho, por el lado de la autoficción literaria como género. Principalmente aprovecho esta ocasión para desearte un muy buen 2010! Un abrazo!andrea guiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07539476025525801688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-88059624727750917092009-12-22T23:10:18.504-08:002009-12-22T23:10:18.504-08:00J
Thanks for trying, by the way interesting answer...J<br />Thanks for trying, by the way interesting answer, although I do not fully agree with it but I do certainly think that in the quest is the key. And I also found several interesting stuff in that blog, thanks also for pointing to it.Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-53027121265485263992009-12-22T17:16:51.674-08:002009-12-22T17:16:51.674-08:00Mariana, I did send an email to a zen centre about...Mariana, I did send an email to a zen centre about what we said, but no reply yet, and I also tried this<br /><br />https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6311547075033408596&postID=2906679611501435157<br /><br />where you can see for yourself the answer.Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-2430685851849384652009-12-22T02:54:40.847-08:002009-12-22T02:54:40.847-08:00J
There are actually graphical engines that are pr...J<br />There are actually graphical engines that are pretty wierd, I remember seeing some great applications to search stuff in a site called www.freebase.com<br /><br />Thanks for the pill cases,I guess I will keep the mad hatter one, I did always like that character from alice in wonderland.Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-20994976498599772352009-12-22T02:15:35.077-08:002009-12-22T02:15:35.077-08:00I liked that wefeelfine thing, which makes me thin...I liked that wefeelfine thing, which makes me think why a search engine cannot run on a graphical way like that- maybe useful, maybe not.<br /><br />[BTW Somewhere to keep your meds?<br />http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Home&category=pillboxes]Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-51001759278664286502009-12-22T01:15:36.958-08:002009-12-22T01:15:36.958-08:00Lydia
First I want to thank you for your great com...Lydia<br />First I want to thank you for your great compliments. Then I think that you are right I want people to think, probably because I want that for myself also.<br />Well I have my doubts about it being a renaisance, remember that not that long ago we also used to have diaries, and they where mostly private but today everything seems to become public, which might tends to disort the stories we tell in order to make them interesting for the others (I might also be wrong about this, I am not sure, what I am sure is that nowadys we are telling stories in a different way we used to do it)<br /><br />Thanks a lot for your lovely words and interesting thoughts lydiaMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-18286630800841620342009-12-22T01:04:42.212-08:002009-12-22T01:04:42.212-08:00Your posts are so thought-provoking, and just the ...Your posts are so thought-provoking, and just the right length to inspire readers to stay awhile and think (which is, I believe, what you most want from us!). <br />I am pondering over how the internet with social networking and blogging is enhancing our capacity for telling our stories and for making sense of them. It seems a renaissance in that way..Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11135393270656573516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-73098387522100461842009-12-21T20:58:44.980-08:002009-12-21T20:58:44.980-08:00Rob Bryanton
My pleasure I love sharing knowledge ...Rob Bryanton<br />My pleasure I love sharing knowledge with you. I have been reading all your posts about time, but to tell you the truth after what I said in the first one I did not find anything else interesting to add to your great stuff. <br />I did not know you where a fan of Harris, I think he is one of the very few incredibly creative persons that exists.<br />Of course I am familiar with his work, indeed that inspired me to do research into opinion ming, algtough his was about sentiment, but I think he almost invented a complete new concept, not to mention the incredible visualizations he makes.<br />Well the whale hunt it totally related to time, I think the proyect is indeed about that.<br /><br />How interesting to be able to work in that. Well I guest you must be one of the few right persons for that hob. Interesting what you say about the story they thell themselves,, I would really like to know more about that, hope I find something interesting in internet, I will share it if I can.Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-16149545361249703742009-12-21T17:46:15.428-08:002009-12-21T17:46:15.428-08:00Hi Mariana, thanks for your wonderful insights.
...Hi Mariana, thanks for your wonderful insights. <br /><br />http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com/2009/12/time-is-in-mind.html<br />I've been writing a lot about time and our experience of time for the last couple of weeks - you posted a comment on the first of those entries, Time is in the Mind, and gave me a link to a project by Jonathan Harris, who I'm a huge fan of. Are you familiar with his www.wefeelfine.org ? I still like to go back there and marvel at all the little narratives that are creatively encapsulated in real time on that website. His site you mentioned, www.thewhalehunt.org/ is also an interesting example of a whole different kind of narrative.<br /><br />Here in Canada, I've been fortunate enough to be able to work on a couple of projects with the Cree elders of this area, and of course narrative story-telling is a huge part of these traditional indigenous cultures. But I think you're absolutely right, Everybody Has a Story they tell themselves about themselves, and often their future paths can be changed simply by finding a way to reinterpret and reformulate that story.<br /><br />Fond regards,<br /><br />RobRob Bryantonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215892812705188148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-49139714707389992172009-12-20T15:03:37.516-08:002009-12-20T15:03:37.516-08:00ted bagley:
very interesting way of seeing inner s...ted bagley:<br />very interesting way of seeing inner speach from! a close stuff.<br />And you are right close things tend to be looped, as well as what happens with thoughts in depressed people. Insteresting sugestion of how to get out of the loop, thanks a lot for you deep thought ted.Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-5654367938159281882009-12-20T13:00:09.348-08:002009-12-20T13:00:09.348-08:00I'm thinking of "inner speech", thou...I'm thinking of "inner speech", thought, as a closed system of signifieds with no one. A closed narrative that has a loop. As said to be the description of depression in some instances. A narrative said out loud to another playing the part of the other that is not there can point out a possible chain of signifiers.Ted Bagleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07740863843616685808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-36252408003123597752009-12-20T09:53:50.085-08:002009-12-20T09:53:50.085-08:00enchanted oak
Check this reply a friend just made ...enchanted oak<br />Check this reply a friend just made to my comment<br /><br />me:I think that the more elaborated minds , the more rational and intelectual ones tend to be more prone of suffering from depression, also the more sensible ones, the ones that have a more accurate vision of reality.<br /><br /><br />he:That's exactly what I thought, Mariana. A psychologist friend tells me that it's not true, it's just that intelligent people "act out" their depression in more identifiable ways. In fact, she said, clinically depressed people who are also intelligent frequently are more versed in the symptoms and expected behaviors of depression than are their psychologists.<br /><br />And thank you for remindime about your posting on depression, which I thought was intriguing.<br /><br />Here is the link:http://thewriterandthewhitecat.blogspot.com/2009/12/writers-and-depression.html<br /><br />Hope you find that interestingMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-49259451611835821152009-12-20T09:46:26.263-08:002009-12-20T09:46:26.263-08:00Tyko Brae (exgen. NB):
well since I am in a good m...Tyko Brae (exgen. NB):<br />well since I am in a good mood, not an ironic or suicidal one, I do not thing that diminishing your human resources would be useful at all.Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-59728735367647475012009-12-20T09:44:33.575-08:002009-12-20T09:44:33.575-08:00enchantedoak
What a coincidence, we both spent oc...enchantedoak <br />What a coincidence, we both spent october at a hospital, curious.<br />Yes, but there are other factors also, well for me at least being to exigent and unforgiving with myself is killer, and of course the self talk that tells me I am good for nothing.<br />Well I took medication for 12 years now, and I did not fully hit the right one, I think the last one is working pretty ok, but you need to add therapy and a good life, otherwise it wont work.<br />Well that is related to what you say afterwords. <br />Sorry I do not know who do you refer to besides walking man, he is one of the best writers in the blogosphere, he is amazing, ahd also check out human being, she is also amazing.<br />I am happy I met you, I guess we could share experiences.<br />Be well my friendMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-18106860837774149812009-12-20T09:30:38.753-08:002009-12-20T09:30:38.753-08:00Lobotomy is the clue. My right brain half can talk...Lobotomy is the clue. My right brain half can talk to the one that is left. Brain surgery is not my profession. It is merely a hobby.<br />;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903032853282063684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-32501595182477084482009-12-20T08:10:28.290-08:002009-12-20T08:10:28.290-08:00I've had major depressive episodes for 40 year...I've had major depressive episodes for 40 years, and spent October in a hospital for it. You and I have a connection there.<br />Knowing what we know about negative self-talk, it's interesting that we indulge in it despite our rational knowledge. <br />Three kinds of anti-depressants, which affect three different neurotransmitters, plus Abilify, brought me out of depression, just like night turns into day. <br />I call it "better living through chemistry" since my self-knowledge wasn't up to the task. <br />That's why I find the notion of narrative and reconstruction of self so fascinating. It required not only the mechanics of medicine, but also constant reminders that my inner narrative had to change, before I was able to change the inner dialogue from destructive to constructive. <br />I'm off to check your links to depression and metaphor.<br />Nice to meet you. I love Mark the Walking Man too. He always has weighty comments for me. I enjoy how his mind works as well.<br />Cheers! <br />ChrisEnchanted Oakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14815997287116818456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-85176485304700952432009-12-20T06:22:33.936-08:002009-12-20T06:22:33.936-08:00for enchanted oak:
and also my friend J
I guess I ...for enchanted oak:<br />and also my friend J<br />I guess I found you trough walking man, I met several interesting witters thanks to his blog.<br />So you have a mental illness, really? do you mind if I ask which one, cause most of people might be cataloged like that.<br />I liked what val say also, it is like a narration but with less ration(ality). Val is fantastic.<br />I like your description of a poem, I guess it expresses the emotions with less rational clothes than narrative dress itself with.<br />Well I see what your illness is now, let me tell you I have the same issue, I just been in an institution for a month due to that. http://singyourownlullaby.blogspot.com/2009/06/depression-and-culture.html<br />Regarding what you say about poet and self, I guess it has a lot to do with metaphors, finding them in unexpected places, linking previous seemingly unrelated stuff. By the way I love metaphors you can check that in my past entries http://singyourownlullaby.blogspot.com/2009/10/metaphor-and-mind_04.html. I also think you need a certain degree of playfulness and freedom to create real art.<br />Thanks for the alice compliment, by the way I love her book, and quoting some of its parts.<br />Be cozy on your oak PalMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-56967529387609668772009-12-20T03:55:59.139-08:002009-12-20T03:55:59.139-08:00a cuban in london
I like a lot what you comment ab...a cuban in london<br />I like a lot what you comment about the amigdala, for those do not know perform a primary role in the processing and memory of emotional reactions.<br />but also I read that:research shows that the amygdala plays a crucial role in recognizing scary music. One possible explanation is that the music mimics sounds that people use to alert each other to danger.<br /><br />I agree about what you say regarding seeking, but I think that it can also be a double edge sword, people can be very suggestionable and many times they are desperate for answers.<br /><br />My pleasure <br />Take careMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-41324508368036305262009-12-20T03:44:42.772-08:002009-12-20T03:44:42.772-08:00Excellent post that ties nicely with my outing tod...Excellent post that ties nicely with my outing today on music, since the latter affects a part of one's brain that one does not usually associate with creativity: the amygdala.<br /><br />Self-awareness is also important in the development of a more confident individual, one who doesn't wait for information to arrive on his/her lap, but actively seeks it out.<br /><br />Many thanks for this great column.<br /><br />Greetings from London.A Cuban In Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423293358605007539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-67919318909690263242009-12-20T02:56:35.642-08:002009-12-20T02:56:35.642-08:00WM:
Is beautifull what you said, really beautifull...WM:<br />Is beautifull what you said, really beautifull, I whish I could be more like that someway, I guess you do meditate and have a discipline or does it come natural to you?<br />just a doubt<br />Take careMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-79975408521861144742009-12-20T02:20:03.646-08:002009-12-20T02:20:03.646-08:00I for one do not know how others are inside their ...I for one do not know how others are inside their head but I have spent years learning to be simply silent inside mine. <br /><br />If I am encountering a need that requires a solution I use my eyes to see it and then my action to correct it.<br /><br />It is in the silence that I find the communication with the eternal portion of the universe.the walking manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058913927297370740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-55974873728535390892009-12-20T00:51:46.460-08:002009-12-20T00:51:46.460-08:00Rinkly Rimes
I think we all talk to ourselves mos...Rinkly Rimes <br />I think we all talk to ourselves most of the time, I do not know a single person who does not eventually get tired of that. And I do not believe that is madness, but you know people like to put labels catalog behaviors and stuff.<br />Thanks a lot for your reflections mans.<br />Well regarding being born death, that is a fascinating research question of research. <br />read the dialogues I had above with J man, here are some parts<br />me:J, I agree what you describe is not the same. Anyway it must be possible to do somehow, because deaf mute people can read, and they do not have that kind inner sounding dialogue we do.<br />he:That is an interesting point about how the inner voice develops in people who cannot hear, something else I will have to look up, a little like the question of how blind physicists picture reality in their thinking. I have not seen much information on these two subjects.<br />Somebody born deaf must have a different experience of reading, and of personal narrative. This surely means no long upsetting inner dialogues about things that are troubling, no repetitive pieces of music in the head.<br />Does that leave space for other sorts of inner dialogue and recurrent memory, or does it lead to more peace of mind?<br />It does raise the question of whether we really need to hear ourselves as we read, or if it is just a habit. I have often felt it is just a habit.<br /><br />But feel free do some research and add interesting thoughts about that.<br />Thanks a lot for your collaboration dear blogging friend.Mariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-37131210731228889562009-12-19T23:53:05.388-08:002009-12-19T23:53:05.388-08:00I read somewhere that people who see their lives a...I read somewhere that people who see their lives as an on-going story are better equipped to deal with life. I talk to myself all the time and when I'm alone I do it out loud1 When I was a child I was told that people who talk to themselves are mad. I'm so glad that isn't true?<br /><br />Incidentally, if one had been deaf from birth how would one have internal conversations?Rinkly Rimeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07890344869337115307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-59706468539509693392009-12-19T14:48:14.580-08:002009-12-19T14:48:14.580-08:00Mariana, I'm chiming in here because you visit...Mariana, I'm chiming in here because you visited my poem about Fog this morning. How on earth did you stumble onto me? <br />As an English Literature major and as a poet who is in therapy with a mental illness, I find all this fascinating.<br />The science of self-talk is interesting on many levels to a poet. How do I make poetry? I seem to bypass the narrator who usually runs the show, and I tune in to some other voice. I like what Val said:<br />"Our inner dialogue is the only place where our feelings mingle freely with our detached rational self, to create a whole human being prepared for the intense experience that is living." This sounds very much like the experience of writing a poem.<br />A poem captures a moment of intense experience, using language to describe it. So it's a moment of emotion recollected in tranquility, that's how I think Wm. Wordsworth put it.<br />Val also said, "I have often thought it is our grounding exercise to keep our experience on this planet healthy. Of course, when this goes awry for a variety of reasons, mental illness is the result." <br />It's very clear that self-talk, our inner running narration of our lives, turns foul in someone experiencing mental illness. I suffer from periodic depression, in which my narration becomes completely condemning. That's not healthy in terms of my life on this planet. <br />And I love Val's thought that "This inner dialogue is also how we access our 'psychic self', or soul as well as the souls of others both living and passed."<br />In my opinion as a poet, that psychic self is crucial to the creation of a poem. Great leaps of imagination take place just under the level of conscious thought. Somehow that allows me to link, for example, ordinary fog to fear of the future, to see myself enclosed in metal while gliding toward that future. My poetic voice finds similarity between disparate ideas, which winds up describing an emotion so others can feel it too. <br />I feel like Alice in Wonderland, falling into a hyper-intelligent dream here. <br />Chris from Enchanted OakEnchanted Oakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14815997287116818456noreply@blogger.com