tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post4675583858617431049..comments2023-10-19T09:57:32.592-07:00Comments on Sing your own lullaby: Meaning IIMariana Sofferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-39796959347857042882009-08-25T04:49:49.241-07:002009-08-25T04:49:49.241-07:00stu
Thank you very much for your compliment, it me...stu<br />Thank you very much for your compliment, it meankes me feel really raelly good indeed, because it comes from you.<br /><br />I thinink the most important sentence is "implicit understanding of who it means something to ". which is what is usually forgoten, makes it seem the concept of meaning contradictory, but I came to the conclusion of not, I think that meaning for humans is a mix between an implicit and an explicit understanding we have about something. <br />The problem about the implication is that humans tend to take things for granted once they are settled and forget whenre they came from, they asumme they just are, and nothing else.<br /><br />Hugs SMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-34650949629935029582009-08-25T03:06:45.948-07:002009-08-25T03:06:45.948-07:00Another fascinating post on one of my favourite su...Another fascinating post on one of my favourite subjects. <br /><br />Your opening paragraph makes a very interesting point. Perhaps the subject/object is implied in some cases, but the implication is easily forgotten.Stuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17856424693319815534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-24891025115792493042009-08-18T19:37:59.522-07:002009-08-18T19:37:59.522-07:00maxine
I am happy just to know that I make you thi...maxine<br />I am happy just to know that I make you think! all you need for me is to do it and that's it. <br />Sorry but I did not understood what you mean starting from, @was it not lazy .. " I guess you meant you are busy with your poetry, but I might be wrong, excuse my limited language knowledge to understand what you meant on that phrase. <br />Anyway you probably should dedicate your time to your peotry, which is increadible and great.<br /><br />Take careMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-88716207152941963622009-08-18T19:32:43.554-07:002009-08-18T19:32:43.554-07:00geek
Before i ended reading your comment, I though...geek<br />Before i ended reading your comment, I thought exactely what you said to me, that it can be very frustrating. Well that is how life is, if you take chances you can loose or you can win, if you do not you will never get frustrated but I guess you can bore yourself to death indeed.<br /><br />CheersMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-40797932367484198152009-08-18T19:30:26.498-07:002009-08-18T19:30:26.498-07:00uncle tree
you are right about definition, but I g...uncle tree<br />you are right about definition, but I guess that word emerged indeed to define the bounderies about what a thing is and what a thing is not. And significance puts the emphasis in another side of what this words mean which is the one you remarked before.<br /><br />Here are other similar words to meaning, that I found: denotation, sense, signification<br /><br />I guess all of them have a slightly different implication and emphasis hence meaning than the other ones.<br /><br />It makes sense what you say about brian s comment.<br /><br />Regarding what you say about poetry, I think it is right that is a mix a both things, but I would also add more, because as an art you can create and feel free to do it. But the ones you mentioned made me think, and seem to be, maybe, the most importants for poetry.<br /><br />Love you a lot<br />nieceMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-50258534678130971292009-08-18T19:18:50.702-07:002009-08-18T19:18:50.702-07:00jon
Thanks a lot for your advice, it is actually a...jon<br />Thanks a lot for your advice, it is actually a very good one, I was just browsing semiotic books, and I ended up reading Ferdinand de Saussure’s structuralist semiotics. I also read a lot about Baudrillard, who I like a lot, you can check my past entries to see I do references to his theories and thoughts.<br />By the way I am also learning linguistic, but mostly oriented towards nlp task-related theorical things. I can send you some papers if you want them.<br /><br />Thanks and take careMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-36098533543340783352009-08-18T03:53:22.718-07:002009-08-18T03:53:22.718-07:00Mariana, you always twist my mind in ways it would...Mariana, you always twist my mind in ways it would be turned more often, was it not lazy with poetry. Often I'm too busy thinking about it to participate!Maxinehttp://slamup.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-34212382770713234812009-08-17T07:03:42.086-07:002009-08-17T07:03:42.086-07:00Makes life more interesting, isn't it? That we...Makes life more interesting, isn't it? That we still have a lot to discover. I dunno. I think it would be kind of boring if we already know everything. Good thing there's always some new stuff that we can learn about. Though, it can be very frustrating at times.Kerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17146666763404548871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-55060125083494054872009-08-17T03:38:50.543-07:002009-08-17T03:38:50.543-07:00Significance
That seems to imply the 'importa...Significance<br /><br />That seems to imply the 'importance' of something, Mariana. 'Definition' is another word that is used to describe whatever.<br /><br />If I may guess on what Bryan meant by 'poetry and meaning' mixing it up, it is something like this. It is actually an old argument between poets themselves.<br /><br />(Just what is significant in this world of ours?)<br /><br />Poets should concentrate their efforts on which type of thing/happening? Which one is most important?<br /><br />Take that which is significant, and say it simply. Or,<br /><br />Take that which is simple, and show us the significance of it.<br /><br />Is it either/or, or both/and?<br /><br />Luvz and hugz, me sweet niece!Uncle Treehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469693535302107288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-81862812051291218782009-08-17T02:18:46.873-07:002009-08-17T02:18:46.873-07:00Funny, but this is some of what I'm writing on...Funny, but this is some of what I'm writing on for my MA in English... I've been studying a lot of language theory... you might like this brief intro to poststructuralist intertextuality and semiotics as an example of a combination of the two methods you mention for making meaning of words (signs):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem09.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07415555531504843017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-45597598302428745652009-08-16T22:59:21.393-07:002009-08-16T22:59:21.393-07:00uncle tree
Somehow I lost your comment in my mail,...uncle tree<br />Somehow I lost your comment in my mail, but thank god I found it recently. You made me laugh uncle with what you write to me. <br />The answer to your question would be yes, because it means exactely the same that it does in english, the world would be "significado", but anyway I read that the different meaninngs of mean are clasified and organized in a way, so indeed I was thinking that why did they put all that definitions to a single word and did not invented another extra one to save us the confusion to us all.<br />Hugs my favourite treeMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-80355626732353257532009-08-16T20:17:04.979-07:002009-08-16T20:17:04.979-07:00girlontape
But you are not performing this tuesday...girlontape<br />But you are not performing this tuesday, If you where I would go for sure. <br />The thing is that I have to meeet with my research team, which is usually on mondays, and I am not sure which time it will end, but if I can not, maybe next tuesday we make it a sure date (if you can), sorry babe, but I can not promise I will end (I am closing a deal with the states)<br />Big kissMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-21417539890315770592009-08-16T20:14:17.852-07:002009-08-16T20:14:17.852-07:00poeticgrin
Very interesting what you say about po...poeticgrin <br />Very interesting what you say about poetry, you are probably right, I never thought about it that way. What I did thought is that we need to tell ourselves our own stories so then we can make sense of ourselves, have a sense of I, know what it means to be ourselves. But it is amazing what you say, with poetry must be exactely the same (still have to think more about that statement anyway)<br />Take care<br />MMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-7033915159283973842009-08-16T20:11:55.857-07:002009-08-16T20:11:55.857-07:00Brian Miller
Thanks brian, but do not take it so s...Brian Miller<br />Thanks brian, but do not take it so seriously, relax, try to have fun with the theories and with what you thought about them now, do not care that much if you can make sense of them or agreee or not with them, thinks just will fall to their proper places in your head, just give them time, do no push that hard, cause that is what make us confuse and have stiff theories that make us harm ourselves. <br />Do what you say sleep on it and if you do not think anything just let it go, just do not care, time will come when thigs, as I told you, fall in their place.<br />Anyway I am glad you like to make sense of the world arround us, cause not everybody cares.<br />Hugs and take care<br />MMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-7582167740975682672009-08-16T20:07:56.479-07:002009-08-16T20:07:56.479-07:00geek
Exactely my friend, you are so right, it is ...geek <br />Exactely my friend, you are so right, it is an aspect pretty much shown by human beings, and not by other beings with such emphasis or interest in it.<br />But probably as you said it is highly related to how societies and civilizations where shaped, and probably also related to their cultures (If you let me add this thougt to yours).<br />Regarding the last thing you said, you made me thing that always the hardest stuff to understand is the one we are living in, whether our culture, our reality, our society and many other current things.<br />I can not understand it either, but I think there are people who are really visionaries or have an incredible clarity of mind that can see way beyond where we are than what we can now.<br />Hugs friendMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-79923223125477506182009-08-16T19:51:24.166-07:002009-08-16T19:51:24.166-07:00Dave King
I am glad you liked my remarks about abs...Dave King<br />I am glad you liked my remarks about abstraction, it makes me really happy, seriously! I respect a lot what you think.<br /><br />You are right about this not taking us much farther about the answer of the question of what is the meaning of meaning? It was not the idea either, the idea was to show more ways of seing this, and making us thinkig a little bit more about it.<br /><br />Sorry, but I do not understand what do you mean by the penny will drop, probably because I am not a native speaker, I have an intuition about it dough, hope I can confirm or deny what I think your expression meansions soon.<br /><br />Thanks a lot for stepping by and sharing your thoughts, which at least to, are always very interestesting to read.<br />Take care<br />MMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-79415469324962620412009-08-16T19:45:42.511-07:002009-08-16T19:45:42.511-07:00Renee
First of all thanks for your lovely complime...Renee<br />First of all thanks for your lovely compliments. But I am going to tell you (as I did to experimentaljetset)that you too are an inteligent being, I do not think just anybody can write nice post with nice pictures the way you write them, so maybe you can call that talent, but it is the same. Besides I always say that everybody has different habilities and that they are all valuable and interesting.<br /><br />Hugs and xoxoxoxoxoMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-17629412020648100012009-08-16T16:09:00.476-07:002009-08-16T16:09:00.476-07:00We thirst for meaning because we need it. Without...We thirst for meaning because we need it. Without meaning, what is life but a string of events? Interesting topic. Poetry would not exist without meaning, as poetry is an attempt to draw meaning out of an event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-64478315124326562022009-08-16T05:50:47.739-07:002009-08-16T05:50:47.739-07:00Hey, Mariana! I've been meaning to ask you abo...Hey, Mariana! I've been meaning to ask you about the means and ways of becoming a mean old tree. I'm not sure it woodwork, but it wood mean a lot to me if I knew what that meant.<br /><br />The word 'mean' means many different things in English. Do you have that kind of trouble with the meaning of the word in your native tongue?Uncle Treehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469693535302107288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-55661863520322081582009-08-15T23:41:19.194-07:002009-08-15T23:41:19.194-07:00venis? next tuesday...<a href="http://www.girlontape.com/2009/07/confesionario-de-agosto.html" rel="nofollow">venis?</a> next tuesday...girlontapehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12107411738753899518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-72488326504226787832009-08-14T20:04:29.413-07:002009-08-14T20:04:29.413-07:00ok, wont lie, my head hurts slightly. i think i go...ok, wont lie, my head hurts slightly. i think i got it bu going to need to sleep on it. i like stories, they help make sense of the world around us.Brian Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722940075884718007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-63102473613040278362009-08-14T10:17:23.629-07:002009-08-14T10:17:23.629-07:00Meaning-making is a highly human trait that has in...Meaning-making is a highly human trait that has influenced us in a lot of ways such as creating societies and civilizations. As to how and why we came to bear and ascribe meanings to our world, that for me, is still a mystery.Kerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17146666763404548871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-65559349136166061702009-08-14T06:42:44.353-07:002009-08-14T06:42:44.353-07:00I was fascinated by your remarks on abstraction an...I was fascinated by your remarks on abstraction and plan to read the whole post again. I do not think it takes us much further into the question of the <b>meaning</b> of meaning, though. Maybe next time through the penny will drop!Dave Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430484174826768488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-30736317877724445962009-08-14T05:17:42.829-07:002009-08-14T05:17:42.829-07:00You are so smart.
xoxoYou are so smart.<br /><br />xoxoReneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11785932958464359112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2423483613129126051.post-53437724956276699172009-08-13T21:26:23.906-07:002009-08-13T21:26:23.906-07:00experimentaljetset
First of all thanks a lot for ...experimentaljetset <br />First of all thanks a lot for your amazing compliments. But I am going to tell you that you too are an inteligent being, I do not think just anybody can write nice poems the way you write them, so well maybe you call it talent, but it is the same. Besides I always say that everybody has different habilities and that they are all valuable and interesting. <br />I read that book a long long time ago, I barely remember amything, I just grab it again now that you mention it, cause you make me curious about how that might have influence my thought when I was a teen.<br /><br />Take care my friendMariana Sofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13351209522681966230noreply@blogger.com